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Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:24:00 - [1] Now is the time!! Now that the oppressive system of NPC shuttle manufacture is broken! Now that the peasant mining class of Eve is free to charge their masters the true value of their labor! UNITE! DO NOT SELL YOUR LABOR CHEAPLY! YOUR MASTERS KNOW THAT TRIT IS WELL WORTH AS MUCH AS 8.00 ISK! WHY SELL YOUR TRIT AT 3 TO 4 WHEN YOUR LABOR IS WORTH TWICE THAT? WHY GIVE THE SWEAT OF YOUR EFFORTS TO THE OVERLORD'S OF ZERO SPACE SO THEY CAN BUILD SHIPS CHEAPLY TO ALLOW THEIR PUPPETS TO CAMP GATES THAT DENY YOU ACCESS TO ZERO SPACE AND ALLOW THEM TO STEAL BILLIONS OF ISK PER DAY FROM THEIR MOON MINING OPERATIONS?? MINERS OF EVE UNITE!! TAKE BACK WHAT IS YOURS!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:51:00 - [2] You see Comrades?? The truth of the power structure in Eve is that it is based upon the labor of the newer players of Eve.... The Zero Space OverLords use YOU to provide the Trit for their ships and the Cannon-Fodder to fly them to defend THEIR ASSETS in the zero space Bourgoise Alliances!! They admit it!! WAKE UP! UNITE!!! RISE UP!!! FIGHT BACK!!! DO NOT SURRENDER YOUR LABOR OR LOYALTY CHEAPLY! Without your submission to their terms of "peasant rent", "share-cropping alliance", or "mercenary servitude".... THEY ARE NOTHING! Without you they cannot maintain their grip on the one thing that keeps them on top and on your back....... THE MOON MINING OPERATIONS. They know this and they are shaking in fear of the possibility that you might unite. FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 19:02:00 - [3] Edited by: Comrade Commizzar on 17/04/2008 19:02:02 Originally by: jongalt comrade, "what is to be done?" -jg. UNITE! CHARGE MORE FOR YOUR TRITANIUM! BE PATIENT! DO NOT UNDERCUT YOUR BROTHER! THE OVERLORDS WILL HOLD OUT FOR A SHORT WHILE! BUT DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY CAN STOP WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO SUPPLY THEIR OWN TRIT?? NO! THEY DEPEND UPON YOUR LABOR NOW THAT THE SHUTTLE SUPPLY IS BROKEN! "WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Zulx4mjHk
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 19:18:00 - [4] Edited by: Comrade Commizzar on 17/04/2008 19:18:58 After the price of Tritanium has been driven to near 8.00 Isk, the next step will be taken. FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 19:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Wagstaff Originally by: jongalt comrade, "what is to be done?" -jg. Now that's just wrong. ********************* They tremble in fear of just this!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 20:33:00 - [6] Edited by: Comrade Commizzar on 17/04/2008 20:33:52 Originally by: Ikserak tai I believe the quantities of Tritanium available on the market are a small percentage of all the manufacturing going on. That is, the corporations and individuals manufacturing modules and ships are mining their own ore and refining their own minerals. For example, if a battleship takes 10M units of Trit, at 2.70 Isk the cost would be 27M. Recently the cost of Trit has risen to 3.5 or higher, making the "cost" of building of the same ship 8M more. Until we see a rise in ship prices, the market value of Trit may not be an indicator of ship pricing, as the market may not be the major supplier of Trit to manufacturers. ******************************** You underestimate your value as a serf Comrade! Do not be ashamed as this is a common error of the working class pilot in Eve to discount his labor. While it is true that many loot-dropped items may be refined into their component minerals, the mistake you make in your view is that the Bourgoise OverLords would ever soil their hands with the labor it would take to run the missions for the loot. And why should they when YOU ARE WILLING TO DO IT FOR NEXT TO NOTHING? Just as many miners are willing to part with their trit for nothing.... until they WAKE UP... THIS IS YOUR WAKE-UP CALL! FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 22:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Ikserak tai OK, I'll bite. Which constellation and region is Old Man Star? Please don't tell me it's in Jita. Someone said 1100 EVE time, isn't that downtime??? If I try to sell Trit for 8 Isk per, then all I'll accomplish is not selling my Trit. While your call to action is rousing, just what plan of action do you propose, just "what" do you want us to take back? What do you mean by "unite"? While I agree that my labor is not being paid anything near what it is worth, I've got to see something more than emotional rhetoric before I commit to la Revolucion! *************** Thanks for the question Comrade Iserak! What you need to take back is the value of your effort in Eve... Through the mistaken belief that your time is worth less than that of your OverLord Masters in the Zero Space Alliances... you willingly abandon the fruits of your labor from mission running or mining by readily undercutting the price you are willing to take and selling to the lowest bidder. And in the case of mining, the robbery was worse because the easiest ore to mine that the new players have access to is Veldspar.... which refines to Tritanium WHICH UNTIL THE LATEST PATCH WAS HELD DOWN TO A VALUE OF 3.60 ISK AT BEST because shuttles could be purchased and recycled for their trit content. NO LONGER! Now The masters of Eve are trembling in fear because they know they can no longer supply their Trit requirements without getting their hands dirty as they have in the past. They can no longer simply buy freighters full of shuttles to recycle. Now the price of Trit has little reason not to rise to the price level of the next recyclable NPC made item and that price is about 8.00 isK or so. Right now they are doing everything they can to convince you that the price should be lower by holding off on their purchases and relying on their stockpiles... but soon these stockpiles will run out and the price must rise. ALL I WANT IS FOR YOU TO KNOW THIS NOW COMRADE! AND TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO DEMAND FULL VALUE FOR YOUR EFFORT. As for a plan of action? If I come on this forum calling for all new pilots to flock to me as leader of a new movement to destroy the Corrupt Capitalist Oligopoly of Eve that is robbing you of your daily fun.... What am I then? Just another megalomaniac of Eve? NO!! I CHOOSE RATHER TO POINT THE WAY! TO HIGHLIGHT THE QUESTIONS YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOURSELF BEFORE YOU SELL, BUY, TRADE, ANYTHING OR SERVE ANYONE! Eve is possibly the most corrupt, self serving, labor robbing, feudalistic pyramid scheme in the history of MMOs.... and the pilots at the top of this pyramid pride themselves on this fact. Anyone who has played Eve for more than a few weeks knows the difficulty of organizing a truly cohesive force to accomplish anything in Eve. But what better "Uniting" force than the newb pilots own best economic interests? If they are educated about their real relationship with the OverLords of Zero, they will KNOW what to do.... and it won't involve selling their Trit at baRgain basement prices or volunteering to fly tackling frigates FOR THEIR ENEMIES! FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 22:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Comrade Commizzar RABBLE RABBLE PROLETARIAT RABBLE RABBLE Gimmick account = meh, but that avatar is absolutely perfect. ******************** Thanks...LOL I worked on it awile to get it just right for the task at hand.
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 22:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Wolverine Quick Ok boys and Girls listen up. I am posting with an alt first and foremost reason being is my mains are known by the people I am going to talk to you about. I walk in the shadow of eve's greatest traders and isk hoarders Ive talked to the richest in game and all those inbetween from cap builders to mass t-1 builders. ONE OF THE HUGEE WAYSSS these guys make thier is from UNDERPRICING the buy orders lower then the orignal mineral worth of that module component ship etc. Then they have great standing and freigthter the crap in and reprocess refine whatever and then dump the minerals/components on the market. THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE WAY JITA PRICES ARE AFFECTED as mins prices drives everything else in game. DONT BE QUICK TO SELL..look at the module u are selling and the regional high for it. DONT SELL below that high DONT be in a dam rush if you can help it and it will lower the huge amount of reprocessing flux into the system QUIT BEING dumb people and .001 selling lower then you fellow miner. Make them all buy Higher not lower miners been screwed with pye and trit for far to long UNITE AND RAISE TRIT AND PYE PRICES TRIT should be running nothing less then 4.5 and 6 on the high side.. PYE should be 7-9 as it is FAR less per refine then trit is. UNITE UNITE UNITE FIGHT FOR YOUR ISK DONT BE A SLAVE to the mega traders. And no i dont know comrade but i do like his style ********************************** Thank you Comrade Wolverine for the enlightening remarks! STRENGTH THROUGH UNITY OF ACTION! UNITY THROUGH KNOWLEDGE! POWER TO THE PROLETARIAT! SMASH THE CORRUPT ZERO OLIGARCHY OVERLORDS! FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 22:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Alty MacAlterson Best troll ever ****************** No troll Comrade! Just the Truth! And about time for it! The Moguls of Deep Zero have ruled Eve too long and it is time for change! This shuttle change in the last patch may just be the spark that was needed to start the Revolution! The fact is that there are more new pilots in empire than veterans in Deep Zero. How will the Oligarchs provide the necessary resources to maintain their basic ships when the Proletariat Newbs of Eve WAKE UP AND DECIDE TO BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS RATHER THAN SERVE IT? What would they do without the newbs to fill the ranks of their cannon-fodder fleets?? Who will do the tackling when the serfs won't serve?? How will they hold on to the MOON MINING OPERATIONS WHEN THEY HAVE TO SPEND ALL THEIR TIME MINING THEIR OWN REOURCES RATHER THAN USING THE UNDERCALSSES OF EVE LIKE SLAVES TO SUPPLY THEM WITH CHEAP MINERALS? WAKE UP COMRADES! FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!

Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 23:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Ikserak tai This I avow: I will not sell my minerals nor manufacture any items for re-sale until the value of Tritanium rises to 8 Isk. I will therefore refuse to participate in the Eve economy until my labor is adequately compensated. This is my small contribution to the Revolution at this time. If through soul searching I deem greater sacrifice is necessary, I will become as a comrade to my brothers who toil in the belts. All great journeys start with the first step... MINERS UNITE! ********************* NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL THE FIRST STEP IN A REAL REVOLUTION IN EVE!! "UNITY" OF ACTION OF ONLY A FEW HUNDRED OF US IN STEP WITH COMRADE IKSERAK'S FIRST STEP WILL STRIKE FEAR INTO THE DEEPEST REACHES OF ZERO SPACE!! AS I SAID TO THOSE WHO ASKED FOR "THE PLAN".... LET'S FIRST GET TRIT TO 8.00 ISK AND THEN STEP TWO WILL BE DISCUSSED..... I SALUTE YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE CAUSE COMRADE IKSERAK! HEROS SUCH AS YOUR SELF WILL LEAD THE WAY! FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 23:20:00 - [12] Originally by: sesanti This ridiculous thread delivers! ***************** FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!!!!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 23:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Ashlee Darksky It would help if everyone supporting this put a link in their sig ************* I think "V for Vendetta" illustrated well why that would be a bad idea....
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.17 23:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Val Vympel I am a mission runner. ALL of the Trit that is produced from the re-processing of looted modules will be hoarded and left un-sold until the price reaches 8 ISK per/unit. This is mine and should be every mission runners contribution to the revolution. Mission runners...do you really need the pittance of ISK that your receive from the sale of your Trit? Think about it. Cheers ****************** YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH COMRADE VAL... And there are those snickering right now who think "Good for them, less competition for me.." but the fact remains that if we all do this... KEEP MINING, AND MISSIONING, BUT INSIST ON FULL VALUE BEFORE WE SELL..... THERE IS POWER IN NUMBERS.... AND THE NUMBERS ARE IN FAVOR OF OUR SIDE.... IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF EVE'S WORKER CLASS LIVING IN EMPIRE... YOU HAVE A CHOICE... SERVE YOURSELF OR SERVE YOUR MASTERS. FORWARD THE REVOLUTION
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 00:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Shaun Klaroh If others won't participate in the economy, I might as well. The market will decide where tritanium prices shall go. At first I though this was purely an anti-caldari jab, but then I can only laugh. I get adequately compensated for my ore. I don't need to allow my financial situations to become dire in the name of driving up prices of anything. Are we going to see a likeness of OPEC in EvE? THEC (Tritanium Harvesting Exporting Corporations) ************ Out of the mouth of babes....
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 00:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Mia Ray I enjoy the all caps post but the funny part is that you assume by charging more for Trit you will drive the ppl from 0.0 im not sure it will have much effect on them ********** And what does that have to do with the Peasants of Eve receiving fair compensation for their labor? I see what you did there.
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Shaun Klaroh If you drive away the buyers, who's going to ensure the class you are attempting to support manages to stay afloat? No buyers, mean no ISK being shipped around, and eventually it could boil down to the "upper-class" null-sec oppressors you talk about so often starting their own mining operations. Congratulations you caused more competition with Tritanium prices, and as a result only shot yourself in the foot. If you won't sell, others will. ******************** We want to drive away the slave owners ability to acquire Trit for low cost. As for isk, refusing to sell loot at discount does nothing to stop bounty payments for missions. As for losses on Trit... well priced at 3 or less as it was, was no great loss... and as I see trit is now about 4 and rising, I'd say most of Eve disagrees with you.
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Mia Ray Its more just the face he said that ppl in 0.0 camp gates thats actually not that true its mostly Pirates in 0.4 - 0.1 that camps the entry's to 0.0 sometimes it alliances too I guess. Also I was more saying I dont think they will care I mean if everyone charges 6-7isk then the market will just go up shrug nothing else will change prices rise it happens *************** I didn't say the Zero Oligarchs camp the gates.... as everyone knows, it is their PAID LACKEY PUPPETS, RENTERS, AND SHARE-CROPPERS that camp the gates. In other words, pilots that have given up and sold out to the Oligarchs. The only thing the Oligarch are interested in is Cheap Minerals, Moon Mining, T2 BPOs, and how to keep exclusive control of these. Oh yes, and RULING EVE. And if Trit moves to 8 isk per unit then more wealth will flow to the miners... and who know what they might do with that...
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Shaun Klaroh Originally by: Comrade Commizzar [Words]I see trit is now about 4 and rising, I'd say most of Eve disagrees with you. Considering Tritanium is being used for alternate manfuacturing (namely Shuttles) it's no surprise that prices are going up, and it did and will go up due to that change. Not because of some extremest view and intentional price fixing, but because of natural market fluctuations. ***************** Then you will have no problem with Trit rising to 8.... as for extremist views... all I have done is alert the less educated amongs us to the fact that Trit should be near 8 before too long and suggest that they need not wait to ask for it. Or are you advocating for selling below full value?
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 02:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Shaun Klaroh Originally by: Comrade Commizzar Or are you advocating for selling below full value? I'm suggesting that Tritanium be sold at market value, as that is what dictates the value of an item. How much a buyer is willing to pay for a specific item. If there are no buyers, your Tritanium is useless. I don't have a problem with Tritanium rising to 8 isk per unit, I have a problem with letting my financial status reaching all-time lows while I wait for said increase. As tritanium is put towards shuttle manufacturing, the price will stabilize at something decent. *************** I particularly like your use of the phrase "willing buyer" as there is also a "willing seller" in that formula you quote. I firmly believe that once the "sellers" of Eve are a bit more educated regarding the real economic balance in the game between the Oligarchs and themselves, they will be considerably less willing to accomodate cheaply and adamantly opposed to serving in their ranks without first getting a MUCH larger piece of the pie... (or cake as some here prefer).

Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 02:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Shaun Klaroh Originally by: Comrade Commizzar (or cake as some here prefer). I saw what u did thar.. In anycase, it's a moot point. Those that don't WANT to buy at the selling price that this... THEC organization is demanding will mine their own. *************** And spend there time not PvPing? OH NOOOES! THE HORROR!!!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 02:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Kaaii In Soviet Russia, the trit prices YOU... *********** I like the cut of your jib Comrade Kaaii!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 03:01:00 - [23] Well, Time to log out till another day! Keep the Faith Comrades! As for the Oligarchs threats?? Bring it! The workers have nothing to lose but their chains... FORWARD THE REVOLUTION! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXKr4HSPHT8&feature=related Comrade Commizzar signing off.
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:00:00 - [24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXKr4HSPHT8&feature=related Good Morning Comrades! I see from the postings that entusiasm is building. And now you know my purpose! REVOLT COMRADES!! UNITY CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED THROUGH SACRIFICE AND COMMITMENT TO THE CAUSE! Otherwise your only destiny is eternal serfdom under the oppressing Bourgoise OverLords in zero! REVOLT I SAY! REFUSE TO SELL YOUR TRIT, YOUR MISSION LOOT, THE VERY ESSENCE OF YOUR LABOR IN EMPIRE FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN FULL VALUE...... EVEN IF THAT MEANS DENYING IT TO THE MARKET MOGULS WHO ARE TREMBLING AT THIS VERY MOMENT BECAUSE OF THE FEW HERE WHO HAVE DARED TO JOIN THE CAUSE! Look at the reactionary postings here with their threats against you for your suggestion that you might take back what is rightfully yours! THEY are nothing without YOUR LABOR! THEIR fleets are nothing without YOUR PEASANT TACKLERS! IF YOU WILL ONLY WAKE UP! REFUSE TO SLAVE! REFUSE TO SERVE!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:54:00 - [25] While we appreciate your humor Wolverine, please remain focused on the facts... FACT... The Bourgoise Overlord Oppressors of Eve own all the Moon Mining in zero AND MOST OF THE T2 BPOs from which they are stealing Billions in isk daily. FACT... They can do this only because they have PUPPET SERFS who willingly serve in their master's fleets and LIKE DOGS are PAID SCRAPS OFF THEIR MASTER'S TABLE in comparison to the Billions from Moon Mining and are supported by all the uneducated new players in empire that mine or mission in empire space and sell their labor cheaply. FACT... THERE ARE MORE MINERS AND MISSIONERS IN EMPIRE THAN THERE ARE BOURGOISE OVERLORDS IN ZERO! YOU DO THE MATH! YOU DECIDE YOUR FATE! SLAVERY? OR INDEPENDENCE!! And now I want to take a moment to thank all those who have shown extraordinary courage and commitment by sending millions in isk to me personally to fund the Revolution... be assured every isk will be well spent toward that effort. I am especially encouraged by the fact that there are Comrades such as yourselves to lead the cause! Every Revolution requires it's HEROS... and I salute YOU as the HEROS YOU ARE! UNITE! SPREAD THE WORD! RECRUIT YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS! SHOW YOUR SOLIDARITY WITH THE CAUSE! ACT ON YOUR BELIEFS! DO THIS AND NOTHING WILL STOP US FROM IGNITING A REVOLUTION THAT WILL SWEEP AWAY THE OLD ORDER! FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 20:57:00 - [26] Edited by: Comrade Commizzar on 18/04/2008 20:58:36 Originally by: Quelque Chose It's a valiant effort but I'm afraid the OP is outnumbered here. ********* I am am not intimidated as this explains my position. http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 22:12:00 - [27] And now I see others posting and thinking about the possibilities... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgQgzKVX9jc&feature=related FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.18 22:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Captian Firelog God this thread is EPIC rofl Still selling trit at 3isk per unit, screw the union, buy from me! ************** At 3.00 eh? Do you realize how foolish that makes you look? Even more so to the Capitalists here who are laughing at you....
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.19 01:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Kyreax Originally by: Comrade Commizzar Originally by: Captian Firelog God this thread is EPIC rofl Still selling trit at 3isk per unit, screw the union, buy from me! ************ At 3.00 eh? Do you realize how foolish that makes you look? Even more so to the Capitalists here who are laughing at you.... Not a very bright commie, are you? Walmart undercuts the competitors as well with all your commie-country-made junk and they are the most successful capatalist company ever. ************* Quite the contrary, Comrade. Although 8 isk is the target we would like to achieve, my main has been selling all the trit he can produce at somewhere in the viscinity of 4 isk throughout this campaign and that price will be raised as soon as it can be supported. Far be it from me to dictate what you sell your trit for, but a discount to 3 as you seem to be supporting seems foolish to me. If slavery is your thing, please feel free to continue.
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:23:00 - [30] Good News Comrades! First sales of Trit at OVER 4.00 ISK! The OverLords are losing their grip! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZc26U_83As And from this link, now you know where we come from.... And the Elite of Eve will hate us all the more! Which is why the victory WILL BE ALL THE SWEETER!!

Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.20 19:12:00 - [31] Trit nears AVERAGE of 4.00 ? OH Dear! We are winning! THIS IS THE NEW TRIT! STAND UP AND ADMIT IT! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAg0kzKJJEs&feature=related

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